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Sovereignty language is state rifling which never gets challenged if it becomes only about a question of open acts of race. katon? >> melissa, i think that it was easy to take the picture of those people a handful of folks up in front of the monument. i don't think that's reflective of the movement or reflective of the hearts and minds of people in south carolina. >> you don't think the state's rights is reflective of the people -- that the belief that the state is sovereign over and above the federal government, or at least next to it is not a fundamental question generating conflict in our c...

I think that's one of the really critical things. i think the other thing she really points to is that people have been talking about how quickly this all happened. it didn't happen quickly. this has been the work of activists -- in some ways brie sort of symbolizes the years of people who tried to climb that pole and take it down. >> it feels fast but it's in fact, not. it's been decades. kahlil i wanted to come to you on this as well because it was so important to me that there is a movement that allows this moment to happen. it's easy in the land of social media to think, there is the massa...

Working, their studying. the byp 100 project, it looks at the lives lost of mexican students at that crisis there along with the black lives matter movement. so those of us who are in a position to lift up that work and connect those dots and make sure people have a sense that they're part of a larger movement by coalition building is exactly what helps that movement continue. >> let me come back to you on this, because obviously the internet is now introducing us to brie newsome as well as introducing us to you and the tribe. but newsome is herself a long-time activist. both of you north caro...

National movement often of youth but also to the moral mondays movement. >> we have collectives of non-profit organizations and groups who do work separately. at a time we stop working individually and work collectively, as a larger entity to move black lives, poor people people of color forward in our communities. that's the work we do and that's how it connects. it's the movement of the grand, large people not just the single activist who feels they can change the world. it's a collective effort. >> paul let me come to you as the idea of the collective as opposed to the one charismatic leade...

Activists who said in a statement, we took this task in our own hands because our president, governor, mayors legislators, and councilmen had a moral duty to remove the flag but failed to act. we could not sit by and watch the victims of the charleston massacre be laid to rest while the inspiration of their deaths continue to fly above their caskets. there wasn't just one activist standing by brie newsome while she was on that pole she had the support of a movement. a movement that understands what barbara ransby reminded us of the lessons taught by ella baker when she wrote recently in "color...