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Then there's the awkward leaving with your box of framed pictures photo. but let me go to chuck and joyce because everything i know about obstruction of justice i learned from the two of you. i understand it all centers around what the suspect's intent was. and i wonder -- kristen reported on some public reporting about what kelly witnessed and something that we know is a known flashpoint in the obstruction of justice investigation that the president wanted to fire the man running the investigation into himself. let me read something from that original reporting. "the new york times" reporting...

And the manafort trial, which is the legal proceeding that honestly has the least to do with him, what will happen when this woodward book comes out and the mueller investigation really starts coming to a head? >> well, that's right. i mean, president trump, donald trump, cornered, is clearly when he lashes out the most. it appears that some of this frenetic action and tweeting is because he feels a sense of increasing besiegement or whatever. that bob woodward book is coming out, i believe on september 11th, so just in a few weeks' time. and remember his very, very strong response to the alle...

Frenetic action and tweeting is because he feels a sense of increasing besiegement or whatever. that bob woodward book is coming out, i believe on september 11th, so just in a few weeks' time. and remember his very, very strong response to the allegations contained in the michael wolff book "fire and fury" at the beginning of this year. michael wolff is nothing like the journalist that bob woodward is. knowing bob well, i for one suspect that there will be a lot of original reporting and eyebrow-raising revelations about what it's like to work in the trump white house. if for no other reason t...

>> laura: cheryl mills, close personal advisor and attorney. >> to other attorneys. then the witness. i believe there's a fifth one, the i.t. director who set up the email system. >> laura: huma abedin was never offered immunity? not able to just send documents to another computer? classified, secret documents? >> there was a time when huma abedin was under investigation for time sheet fraud. she was charging hours for the government. nothing happened there. that's why the republicans have these crimes. >> laura: cheryl mills involved in scrubbing the 30,000 emails. doj allowed. attorney clien...

Announcement based on an interview with somebody whose story has been out there, but this was the first time she was talking on television, yet, jeff is reporting what you intimated yesterday. >> don't think that was the only reason, but that was an added benefit. john bolton, remember, he was -- john bolton was public about this. he didn't expect to be offered the job when he was. he didn't hear anything from the white house for a while until suddenly getting this call the day before yesterday, please be in the oval office. this is a president who is pretty aware of what is taking place on te...