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Again, nancy pelosi has made it clear they want to make a case that is clear and simple and convincing. having said that, if you believe that you don't just have to convince the american people who will then put pressure on members of congress to vote for impeachment, that you might actually have to win over some of those members of congress themselves, what is the strongest national security argument in all of this that might possibly have some people sit up and take notice? anything out there that we haven't thought of or they haven't already heard? >> i'm not sure if it is anything that has...

Also given that in the past bill barr has been willing to make statements in public to serve is the president's political needs. so it is inappropriate to make the request because the department of justice has to maintain its independence from the white house to be able to do its work effectively and with independence and integrity. whether bill barr if he actually had made the statement, would it have made a difference, it might have made a difference politically because impeachment as you said is a political process. it is not a criminal law matter. so maybe it would have helped the presiden...

Congress as well. so he was left in this awful position where if he gave that interview, he would be seen as interfering in the political investigations of the united states elections, something he didn't want to do. >> in the meantime, rudy giuliani who tweeted maybe what he thought was a kind of self-defense last night against criticism that he was involved where he shouldn't have been, here is the tweet. the investigation i conducted concerning 2016 ukranian including and corruption was done solely as a defense attorney to defend my client against false charges that kept changing as one aft...

Communications. and so his defense, when he is contradicting mihis testimony before congress, in his emails, his defense is going to have to be, yes, i'm a liar, but i was lying in my emails to my friends and my associates, i wasn't lying to congress. it is never an appealing defense in a perjury case when your defense is, well, yeah, i'm a great big liar, but i was lying on other occasions. this is a strong case for the prosecution. >> glenn kirschner, ken delanian, thanks. u.s. prosecutors say the saudis were using twitter to silence their critics. the latest twist in the game mu of risk w...

Difference. >> we talk about a lot of different things, peter baker, in the context of this ongoing investigation and we know that the democrats have been very clear publicly and behind closed doors saying listen, we have to have one clear concise and consistent charge against the president, we have to be able to make this understandable to the american people in a way that the mueller report clearly was not. having said this, there is something so fascinating in your paper i had to bring it up. it suggests that maybe we could be in a very different place right now. "times" is reporting that p...