workers in the lab at that time. if you are able to go back and look at those blood samples and say, did they show antibodies to the covid virus, then that would be another pretty definitive piece of data. and then you would obviously want to have a complete forensics investigation of the lab. but it is these things, these types of things that we do not have still. that has been the lack of transparency that so many people have been talking about. i think the answer to the question that everybody is answering ins noble, but we don t know it because we don t have all the data. sanjay it s interesting because you even spoke to some of the scientists who worked in wuhan. what did they say about how hard it is to get information in china? they say it is really hard. it s interesting because there is this world health investigation i talked to peter dasha who also runs ecohealth alliance, the organization that was doing research in wuhan. so he had sort of two halves that he w
alison and they were not able to go back in after that first investigation. so, we still do not know. and then sanjay you ve spoken to several u.s. health officials who support the lab leak theory and they cast skepticism on the outbreak timelines, what have they told you? well, this is very interesting and we re talking about robert redfield here who is the cdc director, alison. that s important because he probably had access to information that maybe the general public did not have at the time that he was the cdc director. i talked to him right after he left office and he was pretty forthcoming about his thoughts on this, still speculative about an interesting reasoning. take a listen. i do not believe that this somehow came from a bat to human. normally when a pathogen goes from a to human it takes a while for it to figure out how to become more and more efficient in human transmission. i just do not think that this