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Ainsley and joining us from texas gabe guttierez. thanks to you both for being here. julia, i have to start with you and this new reporting. it is tough to read. it is tough to talk about. what is the latest that you found? >> it is tough. but it is important not to get numb to it. first i'll tell you how it is different. there are reports in he will pats so he awill -- el paso and rio ground about the bad conditions. cbp blamed a lot on overcrowding. what we've learned about what happened in yuma goes beyond overcrowding with that sexual assault allegation, that was given as a firsthand accou...

Face. most of people said this is beneath the dignity of his office. emily: the condemnation aspect of it i understand. the thundering part i don't. this is not new. it's not unusual for him. sometimes the outrage is just fun -- the left is having fun with the outrage. i get it. i don't like it either. howie: the "new york times" ran a story saying here are the things trump said, carly fiorina's face. megyn kelly bleeding from her whatever. maybe that's piling on, but did he open the door? mo: every time he does it he opens the door. the outrage factor in the social media era on both sides get...

Face. most of people said this is beneath the dignity of his office. emily: the condemnation aspect of it i understand. the thundering part i don't. this is not new. it's not unusual for him. sometimes the outrage is just fun -- the left is having fun with the outrage. i get it. i don't like it either. howie: the "new york times" ran a story saying here are the things trump said, carly fiorina's face. megyn kelly bleeding from her whatever. maybe that's piling on, but did he open the door? mo: every time he does it he opens the door. the outrage factor in the social media era on both sides get...

Position. so i would urge the president and those around him to -- there's lots of talented people out there. he should get someone who has credentials, has the ability to provide the kind of advice the president desperately needs in assessing these various situations around the world and i don't believe that it's general petraeus. >> some people believe that in this particular case that maybe should not disqualify him. you obviously think very differently. do you think that that would scuttle any potential appointment from other members of congress, too, from what you're hearing? >> well, bec...

>> what if she does what she did in '98 so effectively, not defend her husband's behavior, dvdrs the marriage. when she defends the marriage she wins. >> her popularity soared in '98. i spoke to former speaker gingrich a few minutes ago. trump should not go in this direction, didn't work in '98, should go after populism, try to talk about him as an outsider. >> seems to me, rachel and brian, if hillary clinton does what she's done before, defend the marriage, defend the fact they have been together all the years, recognize that marriages don't normally work these days in that long a duration, ...