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Brie yoes. again, we don't know if this is a separate terror attack and they say they have knew lal ietzed some people or if this is a police operation based on the van terror attack from barcelona. so continue, sorry. >> right. we don't know if they were involved. remember that manila casino attack had nothing to do with them and yet they said it did. it's a horrible loss of life and very troubling details. the night before there was a huge house explosion about a couple hundred kilometers away, and one possibility is that was explosives that were involved. they might have been trying to buil...

Associated with what happened on las ramblas in the center of barcelona today. what we do know is residents are being told to stay indoors. as you rightly pointed out, the incident today involved a van plowing into pedestrians on what is an extremely business street in the center of barcelona killed 13, and we have some 100 others injured. some 18 nationalities involved as victims of this attack. you pointed out that the van driver abandoned the vehicle. he fled the scene, and he is on the run. portly authorities have told us there is no evidence that he is armed. it appears, according to auth...

That pershing did this horrific thing and from a muslim's point of view, they believe if you're infected with pig's blood, you're going to hell, not heaven. i think what he was endorsing was a very strong-handed response to terrorism is the only way we're going to put this down and by extension, by extension, some of the people who were in charlottesville on the right, you know, his argument would be they were facing, you know, thugs, and they had to respond in a thuggish way, and we all know that's not true. but i think that's his world view. >> david, do you agree with that? that there is a ...

So well, and so they went to blan b and improvised this attack. >> what are the capabilities of the spanish intelligence police and others. i'm trying to think off the top of my head. wasn't there a train boxing a couple of years ago? >> that's right. the madrid train bombing. the worst terror attack in the west. 190 people killed. they were before that dealing with other groups. they've really been going after these radicals, terrorists inside the country. there have been a couple hundred arrests. a quarter of them have been in barcelona. it's a real radicalization inside the country. in fact...

Believe, were linked to the terror attacks, and so barcelona has seen plotting activity before. >> we're continuing follow this very closely. we're also going to talk to an american who witnessed the van attack earlier today. we'll talk to him later on tonight. paul, thank you. becky anderson as well. thank you. we ooh going to turn to the president next. another one of his advisory councils is scrapped. i'll talk with a member of the group for his take as well as dr. cornell west. usaa to me means