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So you have a lot of outside pressure, not from the white house but outside pressure and questions to merrick garland, the attorney general about what the department of justice is going to do. so president biden doesn't want to mess up anything when it comes to that. that can always change. we've seen president biden kind of throw an audible at times. but they don't want anyone to be able say that. i think that's what you see more people saying this has been an impartial hearing people are surprised there isn't a lot of grand standing. and the white house wants that to continue so president bi...

How shocked where you buy this? >> this is stunning, unprecedented. this is an assault on the court's judicial independence. i think the chief justice needs to punch back hard against this an issue justice alito's majority opinion tomorrow. >> shannon: what are the odds you think that happens? how quickly do you think the chief will say that she doesn't like outside pressure. he likes the court to operate free of these things but he's put in a situation where the world is watching. how quickly could we get the official opinion do you think? >> they could put a per curiam tomorrow saying this i...

States. and these trends are being exacerbated by global challenges that are more complex than ever, and which require shared efforts to address these concerns. by outside pressure, from autocrats, they seek to advance their own power, export and expand their influence around the world and justify the repressive policies and practices as a more efficient way to address today's challenges. that's how it is sold. by voices that seek to fan the flames of social division and political polarization, and perhaps most importantly, and worrying of all, most worrying of all, by increasing the dissatisf...

>> bret: do you think they are going to listen to you, mark? >> oh, no. not a chance. [laughter] >> bret: all right. >> they are not. >> bret: we did this story about john durham and the prone there. are you thinking that this is going to get some place as you look at this you have obviously covered this from the beginning as we update what coming out about this back and forth. >> one of the things important when you are trying to hold people accountable outside pressure. not just john durham alone with his crew pushing for accountability for this false and dangerous conspiracy theory. but, wh...

Working this as they do other investigations that's methodically going through each piece of evidence as she tries to render her decision in the prosecution. she also says she's aware of outside pressure, people wanting her to hurry-up and render a decision. she said she's not being moved by that pressure. she'll do this in her words by the book. and what will be the ultimate driver to possibly bring charges, take a listen to what she said. and so as of this point would you say there's any particular time line on making that decision about charges? >> it's -- no there's not a time line at this...