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How do you work when they are trying hard and -- >> making everyone paranoid. >> a little bit -- it's a mess of his own creation and probably went too far on this undoubtedly. >> still ahead, does a white house press office without credibility among the press continue to be a press office at all or does it become something else entirely? is there any turning back from this week's remarkable series of shifting explanations for the firing of jim comey? we'll put that question to our panel. >> more of the president's exclusive interview with lester holt that continues to drive the conversation th...

Goes on on a daily basis but generally it's a shocking thing. i agree there's a larger set of issues, we've been talking about those all week. let's focus on this one. this one there's one of two possibilities, even there's a taping system in the white house and president trump is taping people -- >> we know he likes the tivo. >> in which case he's certainly in jeopardy of breaking the law and trying to intimidate a potential witness and breaking the law, i'm not sure what the law is in d.c. about taping people, that may itself be breaking the law. >> it is legal under the -- >> it's a d.c. 1-...

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