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Investigate civil summary. and these were just like reporters requesting them. congress is going to be all over barr and all over mueller to release whatever materials they have. if that report is like a detailed road map of what he found, great. they can probably get underway with whatever they want to do more quickly, but even if it's not, i think they are going to scrutinize this investigation, just like we saw the hillary clinton e-mail investigation scrutinized. they're going to call him before congress, if they feel that's necessary. they're going to subpoena materials if they feel that'...

Tell whether someone tries to interfere in the justice department to end this investigation. you will be able to tell because there's oversight by congress and also because if they suddenly end the investigation, there are ongoing court cases in front of our judiciary. also, many of these cases have been moved over to career parts of the justice department from the prosecution. >> right. >> -- of president trump's lawyer. >> right. >> to the follow up on the russians. >> that goes to one of the reporting out. as we will continue. hopefully with your help later this week all the other cases. jo...

Sessions. we'll look for some details on that but it was strange. >> we'll bring it back on with you. thank you, kelly o'donnell. i've got chris matthews standing by, ari melber here, joe watkins. this is huge news. for more on this, let me bring ari in and joe and get some analysis about what's going on. ari, i guess the big question a lot of people have, and i don't know whether you're able to get us information on this, is does this remove rod rosenstein from overseeing the mueller investigation because the attorney general in theory doesn't have a conflict because he's not part of the inve...

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Muell -- with mueller? how long it can be, what are the questions, what is it about? and giuliani specifically said, what did you say about flynn and why did you fire comey are two questions that would be off the table, which if you were going to ask about obstruction of justice, those are core questions, again, if obstruction of justice is important to mueller. if president trump refuses to sit down, do you think that mueller should subpoena him and take the risk of that subpoena being rejected? >> yes. i say you should test that. look, no person is above the law. we are a nation that triumph...