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Guess, such halting attack plans. keep in mind, this is round 1. round 2 is three miles of tanks coming this way. what's the world going to do if building here in kyiv start to crumble and those people in their basements are under rubble? >> steve: that's absolutely right. because of, when they start shelling, it's one thing to use a precision guided missile. and take out a military installation. but it's something else to use just shelling, which would level all those beautiful buildings behind you and even and that's the worry. what is keeping him 19 miles away? >> it may be a combination. a...

Coordinate. they are very difficult because it is hard to identify friend from foe. and it is the kind of fighting that takes place at very close quarters. many of the fights in iraq took place alt distances of ten meters or less. the presence of civilians makes things even more difficult. and in this fight, we are going to see the russians use more firepower and there are going to be massive casualties if they do go into kyiv. >> it's extraordinary to even hear you say that. we are talking about a european capital. it -- it's just mind boggling. what -- what is your assessment? you touched on...

Planning, there was -- terrible overconfidence. the military, which had developed sort of a little bit of a mystique as being vaunted, has proven to have clay feet, at least in ukraine. strategy? yes. first night, we remember, there was a move, the special operations in airborne, to capture a -- an air base and then to make a quick push through that into kyiv and capture it. it didn't happen. it was foiled. it was blocked. and then the russians now have been in some -- they're sort of almost in methodical disarray, meaning they're moving and there is a momentum, and it's slow and it's been ugl...

Hugely overconfident russian military engaging with the reality of a really high earned, well equipped, highly motivated opponent. so, i think we've seen an error of overconfidence, as far as they're concerned. and they have underestimated the ukrainians. that's led to tactical and operational failures in terms of logistics. in terms of economic control. but i think it's also underline is that russia is just not used to doing this type of stuff. big, coordinated, air, land, maritime operations, on many axes, are really difficult. and nations like uk, the u.s. and others, trained really hard to...

Russian military. number three, this is obviously the most important factor, is ukrainian resistance. one reason why they're being so effective in the field is because of the kinds of material that the united states and so many other nations are giving them in the fight. but we also have been training them, and you know, over the last eight years. it's not about the stuff, it's about their ability to use that stuff in the field effectively and that was a result, again, of the united states, canada, other allies who over the last eight years have put trainers on the ground to help build their c...