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But this is going to be the dirtiest campaign ever. >> the media. >> it's one in the same. >> i don't have a lot of faith because, you know, we don't live in the era of news division as loss leaders. the news division didn't have to make a profit and then that changed and then you have to report to the board like everybody else and show your earnings and they're going to be looking for eye balls and it's getting people to click and getting people to watch. look at how much they overcovered hillary's electri-m. there's a lot of reasons why the democrats lost and many of them said hillary was a ...

Justice and in much worse fashion but smashing up your phones -- >> they had a story about it. but it was bad optics. >> they overcovered it. they beat it to death. even bernie sanders said in one of the earlier debates, enough about hillary's e-mails. i don't know but i don't trust the media. if that's the question, that's my answer. >> i don't take it personally. >> not you personally. >> you i make a big exception for. i get it a lot. also it's hard in this environment right now. they say i like you but stop going after the democrats. maybe they're not giving money to the people on the bord...

We cover and what we don't. >> the democrats? >> the media. >> it's one in the same. >> i don't have a lot of faith because, you know, we don't live in the era of news division as loss leaders. the news division didn't have to make a profit and then that changed and then you have to report to the board like everybody else and show your earnings and they're going to be looking for eye balls and it's getting people to click and getting people to watch. look at how much they overcovered hillary's e-mails. in 2016. and what effect that had on the election. there's a lot of reasons why the democrat...

>> they had a story about it. but it was bad optics. >> they overcovered it. they beat it to death. even bernie sanders said in one of the earlier debates, enough about hillary's e-mails. i don't know but i don't trust the media. if that's the question, that's my answer. >> i don't take it personally. >> not you personally. >> you i make a big exception for. >> i get it a lot. also it's hard in this environment right now. when people want confirmation and echo. cuomo i want to like you, they say i like you but stop going after the democrats. maybe they're not giving money to the people on the ...

Opportunity. >> so so much to ask you about. how much i want to get your sense of. let's start general. how would you describe the state of play going on in our political culture today. >> not good. first of all we can't even agree on a set of facts. if you can't agree on the facts, how can you come up with a solution? i don't think we ever had it that bad and i know that this goes back aways. the republicans always blame the robert fiasco. when was that? late 80s. it's tit for tat. and if they impeach trump, whoever the next democrat is they'll impeach him. they don't care about the facts. th...