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We have seen the white house particularly president trump come out and obstruct the investigation by not allowing a sitting ambassador to testify before congress. furthermore, noting that he is not bound to the constitution. congress has oversight, so vice president biden -- >> martha: we clearly have a different opinion. >> martha, can i say one more thing? the constitution is not, you know, the constitution isn't a difference of opinion and the constitution states that congress has this ability, this oversight ability, and the trump administration and the president are not cooperating. it's ...

President, so democrats have to decide what level of facts are enough to make that case. pelosi doesn't want to sound like she's prejudging this. she knows there is an election year coming up but she doesn't want to say she has to have it done by x time. >> there are some members of congress and craig probably falls in this category who, if the white house participates, if they say yes, certain people can speak, yes, we will give over certain documents, they may look at the end of the day and say, i don't like this, i don't know if this is impeachable. if the white house stonewalls everything ...

Is our constitution doesn't really have that like third party ombudsman that you can go to, to lodge complaint, or say you have someone arbitrary or something, but that is apparently what the president wants. down in houston with the president yesterday, i think mitt romney's most critical republican but i spoke to senator cornyn on the intelligence committee and he came pretty close to calling, for saying that congress would investigate. that is different than calling for an investigation. >> what does pretty close sound like? >> it is something congress will look into as a member of our over...

Also author of a case for i am >> haven't seen one. impeaching trump. great to see you as always. >> thank you. >> most judges from what we heard so far disagree with the trump administration argument that there's no lawful purpose to the request of congress. >> reporter: -- that said, the trump >> it is possible to say you can go to college for free. administration hasn't yielded that congress has the oversight ability. the second judge was interesting. not my job to figure out what in exchange, mckenzie and others the committee's motivations are. they're entitled to this. learn skills to cha...

>> my own view is that there is a fear. there is a fear that trump will use impeachment to organize his base, to engender opposition. i think there are really two things to say to that. first, what's really at stake here is the constitution, and leader pelosi has said -- speaker pelosi has said before that the constitution is what should govern. it's very clear that there is a separation of powers and that congress should have oversight ability over the executive branch and essentially what trump is doing is trying to stop that. you have to think through what the issues are and most importantl...