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Congress. and i wouldn't be completely surprised to see a subpoena at some point. >> okay, jeremy, you're a veteran of capitol hill. what would be the problem if cummings said you know what, we're going to do this in closed session. it would kill the television ratings. it would reduce the theater of it. it would reduce the chance of grandstanding, especially among people new to the congress, people who want to stake their claim on this hearing. what if it was under seal for a finite amount of time? aren't there ways around this other than go to hell coverage on all the networks and live tv co...

Sanctions relief from vtb bank and the other russian financial institutions. these are questions that have to be put not just to trump and his association bus michael cohen when he testified in february. not just protect bob mueller, but allow congress to do its oversight function. >> where is congress? all of these financial ties, trump tower moscow, lindsey graham wasn't planning on staying there, nor was mitch mcconnell. where were they when the president attacks the fbi on twitter? when he calls them dirty cops and known second rells? >> he's now in cycle for re-election politically. mitch...

My next guest is why that's important. and i will. but thank you for pointing out who else was in the room, because that's helpful. john roberts, thank you. ken starr, former whitewater independent counsel, and author of the book "contempt: a memoir of the clinton investigation," is with me now. good to see. let's start with the movement of those notes. we know early in the administration there were phone calls that were leaked, that the president was having with leaders. so we understand the leaking that might have been going on, or that went on. what do you make of this meeting with russia, ...

For the white house. one, the white house counsel's office is not fully staffed. it hasn't been for a long time. they are about to get -- if the paperwork is not already going from capitol hill to the white house, it is going to be soon with subpoenas and other matters, so the oversight function of the house of representatives is much, much more dangerous and important than any talk of impeachment and a lot of wise democrats in this town and elsewhere are urging house democrats not to talk about impeachment, just to go through the oversight process but the president has never given up his tax ...

Discussion in terms of the law. >> reporter: garrett, that's a significant statement from the soon to be speaker. one that the white house is certainly watching and has heard and all of it comes as democrats prepare today to take on more oversight power just on pennsylvania avenue. >> reporter: yeah. let me put this in the context of how this will all align with how democrats plan this oversight function here. democrats have been telling me for weeks they want to focus on the things the trump administration has done. so for example, expect to see significant hearings into the border separation...