MSNBC Morning Joe December 18, 2019 11:32:00
Ukrainian americans, fruman and p parnav are their napgsmes, one reason that ambassador yovanovitch was fired was that she was standing in the way of these deals, and she knew that, and people around her knew that. >> you mean rudy's deals? >> the deals that rudy's clients wanted to make. they wanted to have huge national gas deals in ukraine and ambassador yovanovitch kept counseling the head of the -- >> so you're saying it wasn't about visas. it was about money. >> the idea that this was about her being obstructive of the consulate and not granting visas is preposterous. >> it's about money...
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