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Tomorrow or the next day, some major interventions from the international community need to be made so we don't get into that mode on a continuous basis and lose unnecessary life. >> an absolutely disturbing scenario that we need to avoid. thank you so much, a great pleasure. >> thank you. >> so far, an estimated 1.3 million people have fled the fighting in ukraine. and as the russian shelling intensifies, more more people are using pack trains and cars to travel hundreds of miles to relatives safely. all more on the multiple you growing humanitarian crisis in ukraine. i will turn to my collea...

Million people have fled the fighting in ukraine. as the russian shelling intensifies, more and more people are using pack trains and cars to travel hundreds of miles to relative safety. for more on the multiple growing humanitarian crises in ukraine, let's turn back to my panel, julie reuben and david roads. joel, we've seen some instances of racism, unfortunately, on the border. but europe is definitely opening up to more refugees than they have from other recent worse. is eight -- amin, is it basically that the tide is turning here? how do you explain it? world there be more pressure to let...