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And when dr. king was killed, i mean, the outpouring of support and affection coming from hef was significant in my mind at that time. >> we published the last piece ever written by martin luther king and we published it shortly after his death. his widow actually edited it. we should be sitting there in the hef pad listening to martin luther king's dream. yes, well, people don't recognize or realize the extent to which it was part of my dream, too. >> larry: how did you first become involved in this, we call it anti-segregation movement? >> well, i don't know -- >> larry: college, right? >> i...

And affection coming from hef was significant in my mind at that time. >> we published the last piece ever written by martin luther king and we published it shortly after his death. his widow kpaeactually edited i. we should be sitting there in the hef pad listening to martin luther king's dream. yes, well, people don't recognize or realize the extent to which it was part of my dream, too. >> larry: how did you first become involved in this, we call it anti-segregation movement? >> well, i don't know -- >> larry: college, right? >> in a small way. i was never really part of a major movement as...