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Unrelated to his role with the president. but there was a hyperfocus on him. they were harsh on him. they wanted him to cooperate. he didn't give them what they wanted, at least not soon enough, and he's paying a big price. >> can you imagine, though, you're the attorney. you're being guided by your client, do whatever you think is right, what have you. then you do it, and all of a sudden you end up going to jail, but your client does not end up going to jail, or the person that directed you to do it doesn't end up going to jail, or not even that. doesn't face any repercussions for it except f...

About him or wondering what he's going to do to avoid this or if he, in fact, can be prosecuted. i mean i would -- that would probably be more upsetting to me than actually serving the time. >> look, you know, michael cohen, those who know him as you do, he's got a pain dynamic here that we haven't seen the president exhibit. his family is everything to him. >> right. >> and he has been in prison for months, since this has been going on. he may be holed up in a fancy hotel to outside observers, but what this has done to his wife, to his kids, to his family, he is so ashamed. that's not somethi...