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And attention with the sense of urgency -- >> my belief that when oliver north went to the va, it was a sense of urgency, they did the best they could -- >> that's the best they could do. if someone who goes to a va hospital doesn't have the option to get second and third and fourth opinions. they have to go to the va sanctioned doctors, drugs, and waiting lists, and it's much like the medicaid system, when you bring in the independent board, you are going to have even more rationing. that's why obamacare is going to end up much like the va especially with all the people signing up. >> if they...

That this as we all sort of laugh in horror or whatever we are doing, this predates obamacare, right or does it? >> i don't know it sounds like a story from the onion, honestly. it's hard to believe that they want -- we already have such a dysfunctional system and then it's almost like they looked at it and said what can we do to make it more dysfunctional and more confusing. i don't know. i don't have an explanation for this or a defense of it it. >> who came up with this idea? whose idea was it? >> national. >> we all get together. >> it's more complicated here because we don't have a single...

We are scared. now, these are real phrases from real letters coming from real americans that have been harmed and damaged by obama care. these are the people, that senator harry reid are basically calling a liar. it is outrageous. it's an insult and he should apologize post haste. >> why do you think he said that? because, look, i get the letters too. i get the emails too. whether you are for obamacare or not for it there are certainly some people who have come up very short on this. whether their premiums have spiked or they have lost their insurance or whatever. there are some people who do ...

I symbolically you can say it look goods because the federal government has given us this money but you can't spend it that quickly. >> lawsuit the governor ripped boehner and the house leaper showed a -- leadership a new one and they could come back and say, what was the rush? >> that's what they are doing. i can't blame them. of you can't spend it quickly, why do you need it quickly? i understand what he was doing. i have to take care of my state, and a lot of people are pressuring him as the governor, where is the money, and if he can take the stand and say, we want our money today -- >> yo...

Releasing today. we asked the american people about their support for obama care. and look at this, 41% favor the health care bill. 38% oppose it because it's too liberal. those are mostly obviously republicans. 12% oppose it because it's not liberal enough. those might be people who would want a government sponsored single pair system, if you will. when the white house looks at those numbers what do they see and what do they say? >> well, i this i that is one of the caveats that we get thrown in our faces from white house officials privately from time to time when we focus on these polls and ...