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Higher level, where he thinks in revolutionary terms, thinks this is a revolutionary moment in american politics and is kind of going for the kill, to smash the establishment, the governing state if he can. >> this program has been on the air roughly 14 months, first reference to the palapanesian war. how close are trump and banning still. >> they're actually quite close. bannon left the white house, there was a question, will they have more influence inside or outside the white house. the president almost always calls bannon, that's a function, because if bannon calls the white house, has to ...

Kind of a student of world history, some people would say that he's sort of half student. he draws unusual lessons, reads eclectically. and comes to unusual conclusions, he's clearly fascinated. the palapanesian war is an obsession of his. he wrote an essay before he went to work for donald trump about the rivalry between breitbart and fox news. i think he has this sort of revolutionary constant conflict warfare mentality. that is playing out now in american politics, this is how he operates. you can see where he hassed kinship with donald trump, who on a less historically oriented level. this...

That he's sort of half student. he draws unusual lessons, reads eclectically. and comes to unusual conclusions, he's clearly fascinated. the palapanesian war is an obsession of his. he wrote an essay before he went to work for donald trump about the rivalry between breitbart and fox news. i think he has this sort of revolutionary constant conflict warfare mentality. that is playing out now in american politics, this is how he operates. you can see where he hassed kinship with donald trump, who on a less historically oriented level. this rivs on constant conflict. it's always a battle. for bann...

For bannon it's on a somewhat higher level, where he thinks in revolutionary terms, thinks this is a revolutionary moment in american politics and is kind of going for the kill, to smash the establishment, the governing state if he can. >> this program has been on the air roughly 14 months, first reference to the palapanesian war. how close are trump and banning still. >> they're actually quite close. bannon left the white house, there was a question, will they have more influence inside or outside the white house. the president almost always calls bannon, that's a function, because if bannon ...