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"the new york times" saying that russia, in fact, did meddle in the election. it's just another example of how two very key people in the white house see this issue very differently despite the number of times maybe the press secretary or our senior official try to tell us they're on the same page. >> let me read you the quote from the interview in which president trump talks about the collusion. he says there was no collusion with respect to my campaign. i think i'll be treated fairly. timingwise, i can't tell you, i just don't know, but i think we'll be treated fairly. now, when you juxtapos...

There was collusion with the russians and the democrat, a lot of collusion. so two partial truths there and one near fabrication i guess. i don't have any idea. i hope this is a conversation for some of the other guests. this democratic collusion element to this. dianne feinstein, a ranking member on the judiciary committee. one of the committees looking into this. echoing this idea that collusion has not been proven to any reasonable degree at this point. i think feinstein would take issue with being used as a model here clearing president trump. it's just not been the case. >> let me ask you...

President trump. but separately you know on the european allies and how they regard us. i wouldn't go so far as to say the united states has lost its international standing. you know, if we want to lead on an issue i think our european allies and friends will still work with us, but we are increasingly isolating ourselves, in particular from our allies, which is not what we should be doing, when we're looking to undermine iranian threat, perhaps bolster support for renewed peace process regarding the israe israeli/palestinian issue. you know, this is where we're finding we're isolating ourselv...

In two different categories. certainly when he sees someone like holder coming out and following obama and protecting him in some way, he sees that as a wonderful trait. he wants his allies and his administration to do that. for him, it's been very clear throughout. this has obviously been a recurring issue with jeff sessions and with others in the administration as well. so it's no surprise really that he would say something like that. >> eugene, how do you read the comments about loyalty that the president mentioned there in regards to the attorney general? >> it seems like whenever the pres...

Has been trying to achieve in the region. certainly the people that are primarily involved in this aren't very experienced in the politics or dynamics, not only of the israel/palestinian issue but the politics of the region as well. but there is an important point that there isn't any other country that can play the role that the united states can play in the region, can play with israel and its partners in the region. that's why i think this decision is fundamentally so flawed, because we should be working with israel and our arab partners in the region on how to strengthen security and stabi...