Attorneys taking an agenda against the former president and that creates a pall around it, and it should be the american people to make the decision. >> it feels like he's having to take this decision because he wants to run for president and wants to protect the base. >> are you talking about the vice president? >> vice president pence. it's a political decision for him to do this and he wants to run for president and he's trying to get some of those folks on to his base and it's unfortunate, though, because i remember the mob was calling for his head and his hanging. >> i think he remembers ...