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Campaign, this is detrimental to your father, this is detrimental to democracy here in the united states? if it did it fell on deaf ears. if it didn't, then they were -- gosh, i'm lost for words right now. they just absolutely dropped the ball, then, don. >> pam lo, do you know -- do we know when congressional investigators learned about these communications? >> well, we have learned through a source familiar that they didn't know about these communications until john junior met with the judiciary committee behind closed doors, as you'll recall, a couple months ago and during that session we'r...