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Out of thin air and he can't admit that he fell short. i want to admit that ukraine's leadership in a much more adequate way from a military standpoint than russia. you can call me a traitor if you want. >> this stood out to you. paper commander can't admit he fell short. these are really aggressive things to say. what does it say to you? >> this says to me there is confusion in the russian elites. he was the defense minister of donbas and he was actually one of the guys who originally instigated, unleashed the war in ukraine in 2014. >> right. >> so he's always been very critical of -- well, ...

Of russians. the so-called aggressively silent majority is where they are. the approval. >> that's interesting. the way you described it. i think it's important for the world to understand that. there's a lot of hopeful analysis and the reality. >> education and information are the only keys to changing the mindset of russians. >> so a u.s. official tells cnn putin is being misinformed. so you saw video today that really stood out to you where you saw this tension. this is a former military russian leader on russian television criticizing the russian defense minister. this is important. let me...