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Reasonable about it. this is what rand paul said three years ago. he's on the record here. i don't think there was a reason to go into iraq. talk about fighting words. i don't think there was a reason to go into iraq. i mean, shove that in the face of peter king, and you got a fight started. >> absolutely. this is for those people who, like me, like history, this is back to the future. the republican party was torn apart on these issues around the time of world war ii and afterward. >> i know. >> and, you know, rob taft and other important figures in the republican party were isolationists and...

Fight started. >> absolutely. this is for people like me who like history, this is back to the future. the republican party was torn apart on these issues around the time of world war ii and afterward. >> i know. and robert taft and other important figures in the republican party were isolationists. and then when senator vandenburgh of michigan converted internationalism, eventually all the rest of the party followed through the anti-communism days and through the war on terror. but now that coalition which was very powerful in presidential elections in stigmatizing democrats as soft on defens...

To go into iraq. talk about fighting words. i don't think there was a reason to go into iraq. i mean, shove that in the face of peter king, and you got a fight started. >> absolutely. this is for those people who, like me, like history, this is back to the future. the republican party was torn apart on these issues around the time of world war ii and afterward. >> i know. >> and, you know, rob taft and other important figures in the republican party were isolati isolationists and then when senator vandenberg of michigan converted internationalism, eventually all of the party followed through a...

Party has always stood for getting rid of the waste, fraud and abuse in the system in '97 it was the center piece of your program. and all of a sudden we're hearing don't do any of that. that's something we can come together on. thank you. >> we're going to go to jon and then we're going to go to jim clyburn, and then i think we're going to take a break, because we've run out of time. so? >> thank you, mr. president. i think you framed the issue very well just a moment ago. because there are some fundamental differences between us here that we cannot paper over. and, mr. president, when you sa...

Sudden this year we're hearing don't do any of that. that's something that i think we can come together on. i thank you. >> can we turn to john? >> you had john? we're going to go to john, then we're going to go to jim clyburn, then i think we're going to take a break because we've run out of time. >> thank you mr. president, i think you framed the issue very well a moment ago, because there are fundamental differences between us here that we cannot paper over, and mr. president, when you said that this is a philosophical debate and it's a legitimate debate, i agree with that. we do not agree ...