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Same transcript. she talks about the paper process. it's linked to reporting that porashenko may have put a hold on manafort's -- some of the investigations involving manafort in order to get this assistance. there's more to dig in here.t to the earlier point that we've been discussing, it means that this discussion with ukraine about quid pro quos is ongoing. they certainly know. >> and, in fact, allowed at least one potential witness for mueller to be able to leave the country and go to russia. jeff is going to stick around. coming up, more breaking news. cnn has obtained excerpts from the...

And the reason according to the reporting is because he was worried russia would react negatively. i mean that is stunning in and of itself. it shows what the white house thought about ukraine, how little they cared about ukraine and it undermines the idea that, you know, that some trump acolytes have been pushing and the president has been pushing that no one's been tougher on russia than donald trump, which is just patently false. >> you know, i think as you said, anderson, it is -- it raised some big red flags here. it's important to remember that the reason there's been a debate about incr...

Normal process to edit the memo and they placed in a different type of secure system. i am going to read this q&a. that's more in strustructiveins. what was different? it went into a different type, a different more secure system. and in this particular system more like did not have an account.t it did not functioned properly. i had to get a hard copy. i guess it went through a paper process. in the editing process that you do, that was done in a different way, vindman says declaratively, yes. question. it was on a different system and you had to put in your edits. there is a q&a that goes bac...

>> we say flux in the white house right now in terms of who is around the president. john kelly talked about forever this idea of him leaving the white house. under what circumstances is he leaving the white house? what's the state of his relationship with the president just in terms of personal relationship and in terms of what he's meant in terms of the way the white house operates? >> kelly did have some success early on sort of with the paper process of the white house. he better organize the policies and procedures in the west wing and cut down access to the oval office that was what the ...

Because it would be hugely embarrassing to president trump if this ever were to come out. that's why people like this don't get jobs at the white house. that's the whole purpose of the fbi background check. >> yeah. there's a self-protection aspect of this typically as well. now, i think if you look at kelly's statements and the statements of others, what they often referred to is kind of his, you know, versions of his pedigree, you know, his background and the fact he helped the paper process, and things along those lines. no, none of that matters when you talk about what he's accused of, but...