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God by definition is beyond our understanding by definition. so we can know from hints and guesses from scripture, from the life of jesus, from the lives of the saints, what it is to be a follower of jesus. but it can't be written down. it's not about these extremely rigid orthodoxies which he calls ideologies. he's also keen to say, and this is critical, that when the church starts upbraiding in spaces of power, when it starts exercising control over people's lives through politics, it's losing its fundamental mission. it has to break free. he said get out of the spaces of power. start the hi...

But it can't be written down. it's not about these extremely rigid orthodoxies which he calls ideologies. he's also keen to say, and this is critical, that when the church starts upbraiding in spaces of power, when it starts exercising control over people's lives through politics, it's losing its fundamental mission. it has to break free. he said get out of the spaces of power. start the historical processes. it's a journey. his faith is a narrative. it's a story. just as jesus didn't have a theology. >> he's more a storyteller. >> he's a parable teller, storyteller. he's always thinking god i...