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State charges are filed, there is no pardoning. >> the southern district won't -- the southern district will not file state charges. they will do federal charges, also. >> but there may be other state charges? >> there may be state charges. in fact, i read a couple of articles recently by lawyers, noting in court submissions by the special counsel how they seem to be holding back evidence for state prosecution in virginia and new york, which is kind of an interesting angle. >> and that's the president fees biggest vulnerability and michael cohen's, because he can't pardon him, and then -- >> h...

Earlier today. here's what he said in response to what the president said. >> he wasn't ashamed. he went out there and talked about it. that's him. he's still in charge. he's the president. i have a great deal of respect for him. i always will have, pardon or no pardon. i'm with him till the end. >> should the president pardon him, shep and i expect he will, he may be doing it on principle more than anything. the likelihood is that arpaio may not go to jail. but the president feels that he was found in contempt of court for doing his job. that's why the president wants to protect him. >> shepa...

Folks who have driven or flown here from as far as alaska and they expect him to hear him hit back against some of these folks including senator jeff flake who they would like to see replaced with somebody like kelli ward, who' gotten sort of soft support from the president so far. they also want to hear from the president about sheriff joe arpaio, such a controversial figure here but not among the president's supporters. they would love to see the president pardon him including miss ward speaking on this today. take a listen. >> do you want to see him pardoned tonight? >> i do. i think there'...

So that's point one. point two, though, is even if trump did pardon him, manafort is facing an enormous amount of exposure under state law, and this plea, i think, is structured in such a way that even if pardoned for these crimes, i think there would be ways around the double jeopardy issues in many different states including new york. so i don't think this would get manafort out from under it and out from jail. and the special counsel could then -- there's other conduct, you know, that they probably could still charge him with. we don't know what manafort -- if there were going to be other c...

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