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Plame. got convicted, hooked by a jury on four out of five counts that went to obstruction, his efforts to keep people from understanding what happened with the leak of her name. fair analysis of what he did and why pardon him now? >> that's right. and earlier he also pardoned joe arpaio, both arpaio and scooter libby, were pardoned outside the usual department of justice pardon process. which is very slow and meticulous. this is just the power of the president and he wanted to do it. he has sent the message, i could pardon anyone i want, any time. >> but scooter libby, theoretically, a guy wh...

The process, we shouldn't gloss over the significance, i've never before heard a president talk about pardons so much. and the pardon process, maybe you can help our viewers understand this. it goes through the justice department and the white house counsel's office. and donald trump, in deciding to pardon scooter libby, would have had to involve his white house counsel don mcgahn who we know spent two days with bob mueller investigators. if donald trump said anything about the purpose of that pardon having anything to do with telegraphing, that he was down with pardons, don mcgahn would have ...

Another meeting today on syria? >> there is another national security meeting later this afternoon at the deputies level. >> reporter: talking about the bribing process. how is the president deciding to take action on the case. how are you deciding when to take action on his case? can a normal person feel like they've been unjustly convicted. can they get their case to the white house? there's a justice department process, but it seems like the president is taking special interest in certain cases. >> again, the president has exercised constitutional authority and he determines when and how he...

The case. but we don't know. and, look, kate, the important thing here too for the president is that he doesn't send e-mail, he's known not to communicate in any ways that leaves a record, so if he's on any of these recordings, i mean, that changes everything. >> it absolutely would. jamil, different topic-ish. the reporting that the president is considering pardoning scooter libby. you to think he should be pardoned? >> i think obviously president bush had the opportunity to do it to and chose not to do it. there are good arguments here. scooter libby was caught up in an investigation about a...

Level. >> ask about the process. seems like we have had three. they were all somewhat high profile or gotten the media's attention. how is the president deciding when to take action on a ohio. the scooter libby case was very old. so, and so how are you deciding when to take action on these cases and can a normal person who feels like they have been unjustly convicted, can they get their case to the white house? i mean, does the justice department process, but it seems like the president is taking special interest in certain things. >> again, the president has exercised constitutional authority...