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The evidence against paul manafort, one would have thought he would have already flipped much like mr. gates. why hasn't he flipped? the reporter who asked that question is asking a very relevant question and mr. trump's deflection of that or refusal to answer it may beg the question of more about the pardon than it answers. i've always thought that the pardon question in this matter, whether it's for paul manafort or michael cohen and the pardons that he's now issued to scooter libby is really the x factor that no criminal defense lawyer or criminal prosecutor can really answer because it's s...

And the question arises among some democrats, on this pardon question, of whether the president a few weeks ago intentionally pardoned arpaio, the sheriff, in order to send a signal to the people who are being questioned, hang in there, hang tough, i'll help you out at the end of the day. >> which is entirely under his purview to do. >> absolutely. >> as to federal charges. >> michael, go ahead. >> on the federal charges. >> only as to federal charges. we know for example, that the attorney general of new york, schneiderman, has an up and running investigation with respect to matters within hi...

Manafort. it is just very possible that the indictment could be against michael flynn. and it's worth noting that in the last few days, jim woolsey, former head of cia, who was in the transition, and abruptly left, abruptly left, with no explanation, is a very honest man, he was there to observe a lot of this, and he got the hell out. now, he went in to -- he talked to the fbi in the last few days. he's gone public with that. there's that possibility. i would think if it were someone like flynn, that would also be a very, very big deal. i want to make one other point. because i do think this i...

>> i think that the pardon question is really almost up in the air. clearly the president's power to pardon is, you know, pretty absolute. certainly we've never gotten to quite the kind of situation we're in now, so i think that around the margins there are some questions about his powers but i think that his powers are very broad. he has to be very careful with that, however. once someone has been pardoned, they're off the hook and that means they can testify against you so you have to be careful who you pardon and when or else they can become a witness. >> and seema, the president tweeting a...

Mandate. that's up to rosenstein to do. it's not up to the president to decide what's the swim lane and what's not the swim lane. and rosenstein can decide with consultation with anyone he wants within the justice department whether this is appropriate matter for them to investigate or whether this is something the justice department can investigate independent of mueller. i don't think the president or sekulow has a legal leg to stand on with respect to the threat they may shut this down. if they want to fire mueller, they have to do that through rosenstein. rosenstein staid he'd quit before ...