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Ardent staff -- >> argument has not been the strong suit of this white house, so i think this follows through with so much else so i think the president's defenders are saying he has the absolute right do pardon someone, so it can't be obstruction of justice. sure the president has the power to pardon, just like i got the right to burn my lap top and set it on fire, but i don't have the right to set my lap top on fire if i know the cops are coming for it if the cops are coming for it. like here, you don't go and tell a witness who is possibly going to testify against you, don't wore ary i'll g...

Senate, too. >> let me give you an example. suppose a member of al qaeda walks into the president's office and says here is a suitcase full of cash. pardon someone who went -- >> that's such a simple, obvious case. he's guilty of bribery. >> so? >> you can convict of president of bribery. you can convict the president of telling witnesses to lie. what you cannot convict the president of is simply and merely exercises his article ii authority by pardoning somebody or by firing somebody. that's my point. you cannot do that. you may be able to i preach him for misuse of his power but you cannot p...

What was your sense of what they were trying to convey about the level of seriousness of this inquiry? >> yeah, i think what you just described is a fair read of our reporting. our understanding is that there is no immediate rush to try to pardon himself or any particular belief at the moment that that's going to become necessary or is necessary. that rather this is a conversation about legal options of what the law allows. under what conditions can a president pardon someone? can he pardon a member of staff? can he pardon a member of his family? can he -- does the law allow him to pardon hims...

Pardoning himself and his staff. some suggesting this is almost an academic inquiry. it's not really about anything specific that's happening to anyone in the family or the staff or the president now. what was your sense of what they were trying to convey about the level of seriousness of this inquiry? >> yeah, i think what you just described is a fair read of our reporting. our understanding is that there is no immediate rush to try to pardon himself or any particular belief at the moment that that's going to become necessary or is necessary. that rather this is a conversation about legal opt...