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Gore. he's also former chief counsel to the senate judiciary committee, and he was the chief of staff to attorney general janet reno. also with us, washington columnist for the boston globe. ron, this is a fact. no president in history has ever inquired about pardoning his family, pardoning himself, and pardoning his staff at the same time. >> yeah. lawrence, i mean we've been talking about this many nights, and everything that's happened so far, hiring lawyers, discussions about the fifth amendment, these are things that both innocent and guilty people do. but article 2, section 2 of our cons...

No president in history has ever inquired about pardoning his family, pardoning himself, and pardoning his staff at the same time. >> yeah. lawrence, i mean we've been talking about this many nights, and everything that's happened so far, hiring lawyers, discussions about the fifth amendment, these are things that both innocent and guilty people do. but article 2, section 2 of our constitution says that the pardon power exists for people who committed offenses against the united states. and if the president is sitting in the oval office contemplating pardoning himself, pardoning members of his...

On capitol hill let him get away with. people say that with resignation but the republicans on capitol hill are doing kite quite a bit to hold the president accountable. every time you watch a damaging hearing, republicans may not be the most aggressive questions in the hearings but they don't have to hold the hearings at all. if they were trying to cover for the president, they wouldn't hold meetings. they are trying very hard to get don junior and paul manafort in front of the senate judiciary committee next week. >> publicly. >> the if the president started pardoning members of his family, ...