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Is his belief that's what this meeting was about. >> they were just testing the waters a little bit. julia, there are reports that the president had asked his attorneys about pardoning powers. you saw this coming. we were talking about this off line last week, and president trump appeared to confirm that they have talked about pardoning, tweeting today while i'll agree that the u.s. president has the complete power to pardon why think of that when only crime so far is leaks against us? fake news. so here we are six months into the presidency. two months into the special counsel investigation. ...

They're going after this investigation because they don't want it to go forward. teir options are getting limited at this stage. someone may be talking. the investigators may have turned someone and so this is -- we're in a very, very compressed time frame right now. >> just quickly, julia, you wrote an op-ed regarding pardoning and it could be totally disastrous but the bigger concern is national security if he were to pardon somebody related to this russia investigation. >> right. so the collusion issue -- imagine if he pardoned people who were at least being investigated for collusion of ru...

Effort to further weaken attorney general jeff sessions' position. that's certainly one possibility. the timing of it is interesting. but we have really nothing but speculation that that is the case. >> i want to move on real quickly here to something else that's in "the post" in the last 24 hours here, about special counsel mueller and his investigation, because you just referred to this, richard. the president has asked, according to the post, what his pardoning powers are, asking about pardoning powers for his ai aides, for his family, for himself. and we had sol reaction on that from repre...

Democrats. it doesn't matter. what matters is the results of the investigation and these are high-quality top notch professionals in the justice department. they're going to do the right thing. >> the post i'm sure you saw is also reporting the president has asked about his pardoning powers. this is something that the white house denies. but you have the post and you also have the times saying that this is the case, that he is inquiring about this. would you see any pardons as the reports say could be at least in his inquiries to aides or family or even himself, would you see that as an admiss...

Granting pardoning of people connected with the probe. a second person said trump's lawyers have been discussing the president's pardoning powers among themselves. the article goes on to say trump's legal team declined to comment on the issue, but one adviser said the president simply expressed a curiosity of the reach of pardoning authority into the reach of the mueller investigation. this is not the case of, i can't wait to pardon myself. with the russian investigation continuing to widen, trump's lawyers are continuing to question the propriety of the work, they're looking at potential conf...