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Really that sense for some nations here in europe that the united states gets to suffer less and that there are gaps and differences. but again, that gets to that point you were talking about before, the importance of president biden's visit. the importance of not being a president, like president trump, and being able to bring and find unity where there is unity. so, you could look at this and say president biden recognized that he couldn't push the eu and nato partners too far, or as far as he would like to go. and i think that is, also, an analysis you can make out from what has happened he...

We had a meeting of the group i think on thursday, and it was really close. and then all of a sudden there are new problems that arise. one of the problems, nicolle, is there's a group of ten that have done the principle negotiations, then there's a larger group that i'm a member of, of 22, that have been sort of working along and approving and moving in and out of these negotiations. but now we are having people who aren't a member of either of those groups come in and say, well, wait a minute, i have a problem with the way you are doing the transit or i have a problem with the way you are do...

And his reason is it the number one issue i'm hearing about from people in the community. now look, this is a chicken and egg and i'm not trying to go there on the nature of it, secretary. how much do you think right now this kind of rise in the audible level is because of the arizona audit? >> well, certainly that's keeping -- that's achieving the goal of those behind it, which is keeping the big lie out there as part of the narrative. keeping this confusion alive and, you know, the representative is right. the issues facing our democracy and attacks on democracy is the biggest issue of our t...

Apparently multiple folks have used over the years to talk about side deals that aren't a part of what it is that you're negotiating. so in fairness -- >> well, i learned something new today. i had no idea. >> yeah, exactly. i think everybody's jumped on the bolton description. it is sort of colloquialism. you know, we have it in our news business. if people heard half the nicknames we have for various things we do in the news business, they'd be like what the heck are you guys talking about? so just for viewers, they should know that i think that's just a colloquialism of sorts for the diplom...

But also, alex acosta, his former colleague, the former labor secretary was involved in the plea agreement down in florida for acosta, which has caused so much concern. their relationship certainly is some form of a conflict. and then we have this really curious family detail that the attorney general's father hired a very young jeffrey epstein when he was a college drop-out to teach calculus and physics at the prep school that he was the head master of in new york city. even if these aren't a formal recusal conflict issue, in combination, they create such an appearance of impropriety, the att...