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Know whether they should follow the federal rules or the state rules. but it's not good policy. it's not good leadership. especially at a time like this when we're dealing with a pandemic. >> when are you expecting your lawsuit to be ruled on? >> well, we originally teed this up to the texas supreme court months ago because we were trying to get an order before school started but they have since punted on the issue and it was put back down to the lower courts. we're now in the appellate courts in the state. many of these cases, we expect, will be before the texas supreme court in the coming we...

You, basically because you want some say in what your own children are taught by government schools, you have been likened to a domestic terrorist. where does this leave you? >> it leaves me frustrated but not surprised. over the summer, the teachers union signals -- actually, they didn't signal, they said explicitly that they were going to invest money in investigating parent groups so we knew that something like this might be coming and it is clear that school board and school boards are not used to this level of scrutiny. i was on a committee so i can say that this is something new. covid b...

The parent groups. so many people have these on their shelves and putting them on their kids. so people are still going to put sunscreen on their kids. now what do we buy? >> by the way, sandra, you're a great parent. >> sandra: john is too, by the way. >> john is too. for sure. listen, here's the deal with this. if you have been lathering your kid with this stuff, don't worry at all. the risks are zero. now i wouldn't use it. any time that recall a product, leigh it on the shelf until they figure it out. if you've been using this for five years, it's not a problem. it takes many years before ...

Major backlog where we won't have enough people to teach our students. >> we have now gone through the jen, like my mom's generation where she became a teacher, taught for 29.5 years. that was the profession that was available to her. in this day and age, she could have been a ceo. so the women who went into teaching in the '70s, they basically retired in the '90s. we saw a huge shortage in the '90s. and now we are seeing another huge shortage. at the end of the day we want people, you know, who want to be teachers, who understand that they are making a difference in the lives of children. the...

There used to be jobs for people with out of high school education. there are no more. in this new 21st century, high school education is mandatory. and even education beyond that point. we have to prepare our children for the challenges of the 21st century. and education is one of the primary ways that we do that. >> how do you engage the teachers, public school teachers and get around past tensions that other communities have had between teachers unions and associations who feel somewhat threatened by parent groups, by accountability issues, by some of the federal programs. >> well, actually...