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♪ people have the power ♪ people have the power >> larry: eddie, you believe the system got it wrong in convicting them. why might you be optimistic that the system is now going to get it right? >> well, i think that's -- you know, something that -- anybody who's been involved in this case, we've gotten an education that i don't think we expected. and you certainly don't know -- you see a lot of things that maybe aren't right. with our justice system. and -- and making sure, you know, there's some people that don't want dna to be allowed in cases to exonerate people. um, you -- you see how...

It's, of course, bankrolled and promoted and supported by kelsey grammer, you know, the old guy that sat at the bar in "cheers." i thought that guy was kind of goofy. this is kind of goofy, too. joan, what do you think? >> i think john stjon stewart a stephen colbert are shaking in their boots. kelsey grammer brings audience. i'm frightened by it. i know you are here at msnbc too. look, i'm surprised there hasn't been another fox rip-off. they have been successful, ed. we don't like it but they have been successful. i just don't see this. this sounds cheesy to me. >> here's grammer commenting ...

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Think there's a problem that perhaps needs to be talked about more. that's drug abuse. you're hearing from more and more employers saying i can't hire workers because they can't pass the drug test. >> i've heard the same thing, greg. >> in many areas, guys, there's a real problem, and it's not just economic. there's a sense that things aren't right. i don't think he's been able to transcend that concern. >> the other thing we're seeing is a lot of people who elected him wanted him to fix big things like health care. they expected him to do something about health care. if you look at the number...

Shareholders and that's a fair distinction to draw. >> what makes it something that the obama campaign has to respond to is that romney is putting it out as his primary qualification, for someone who can run the country and create jobs and get us back to the place we need to go. the biggest criticism of his time at bain, i agree with ezra. it doesn't tell us anything about what kind of president he will be. to the extent that it does. what he did at bain was focused on the short run. that's what the job of somebody at bain is. is to figure out how can we make profits? how can we change busines...