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Structural change, medicare for all and so on. you navigated around that debate to some degree on the stage. do you think you need to draw the lines more brightly in iowa. >> i believe as much as anybody or more that we do need big and polled and transformative change. i do also think that how bold you are is not the same as how left you are. while i'm more progressive than some of the other democrats and also have a view considered moderate certainly compared to bern nip sanders on these issues. to me it's not about finding the right dot on the ideological line i think vote remembers less ide...

>> look, the mayor has been accused of taking sides, certainly. the politics aren't wild about him. that's what i'm reading all the time. that's what people are saying and that they think -- he turned their back on him. people come out showing support for the police. that's a protest. maybe the american people understand we appreciate what the police officers do. why in the world would you put a lid on that? why would you even wait for that if the people want to speak favorably to these police officers? stand up for the new york police? >> well, i don't think that he is -- i think he is really...

I'm hoping they will turn the volume down. >> i'm hoping that -- look, the mayor's been accused of taking sides, the police aren't wild about him, that's what i'm reading all the time. i am wondering if by no protests, he doesn't want prayer vigil. why in the world would you put a lid on that? why even wait for that if people want to speak favorably about the police officers. >> i think he's really talking about the protests of the eric garner case more than anything else. but not trying to defend the mayor -- >> i didn't hear him say that at all. >> i didn't either but i'm hoping that that's ...

Side. republicans argue that we just passed this fiscal cliff deal and the national debt now more than $16 trillion and the democrats, a lot of them aren't wild about the idea of making cuts to entitlements. how does that work? >> listen, if they were serious about reducing the debt and serious about taxing people who have money. it seems the only people that the right wing are willing to tax are the people without mono pep the people with money are those they regard as untouchable and if they do that they'll reduce the deficit just as we did during the clinton administration. the clinton admi...