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Debate, and we'd have 70 or 80 senators vote in favor of it. this bill's not like that. the democrats have handled it very badly. >> i want to go to this issue of medicare advantage, because it's an issue that is very important to a lot of people. do you think it's been fair to conflate medicare, the government-run insurance program, with medicare advantage, which is a private sort of insurance subsidy that comes from the government? >> well, there's both parts of medicare. medicare advantage -- there are people in my state enjoy it. we have more than 1 million people on it. >> but it's not me...

Legislation this important would have lots of amendments, lots of debate, and we'd have 70 or 80 senators vote in favor of it. this bill's not like that. the democrats have handled it very badly. >> i want to go to this issue of medicare advantage, because it's an issue that is very important to a lot of people. do you think it's been fair to conflate medicare, the government-run insurance program, with medicare advantage, which is a private sort of insurance subsidy that comes from the government? >> well, there's both parts of medicare. medicare advantage -- there are people in my state enjo...

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Medicare program to pay for the obamacare program. do you think raiding medicare to pay for obamacare is an achievement? >> no. >> do you think empowering a board of bureaucrats to cut medicare an achievement? >> no. either do i. medicare should not be used as a piggy bank for obamacare, medicare for our seniors, end of story. >> perhaps the conversation should start there, the seniors, there will be no changes to your medicare plan, as you pointed out. it's those 54 younger that should begin to pay attention and i think most acknowledge that it's not going to be around that much longer, medic...

As part of a grand bargain if it meant some sort of reform in the tax code that meant the wealthier might be paying more to help pay down the deficit? >> what i'm saying is chuck, in the context of a very large agreement we were willing to give the president some running room to see what he could negotiate. i've now seen the specifics. certain portions of medicare. i would not agree to that with respect to, you know, part a, which are the hospital reimburse jmts. i'm not saying i would agree with it with respect to other things either. the difference between republicans and the democrats is we...