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Took about with it. >> well, they did, but, again, be a vote for the actual abortion amendment, the abortion rights and then it is november. we will write to see what the turnout looks like. carlos, you talked about republican candidate, many of them being all in on the dobbs decision. actually, i think that the republican, at least the republican party apparatus nationally has not figured out where they really want to come down on this issue. you have some candidates who have proposed like, and national abortion ban. what works in a primary does not always work in a general election. so, what...

Are playing defense. they're the likely nominee in 2020. for criticizing fellow republicans from going too far when restricting abortion. >> okay, chuck rocha, what does this mean for democrats? you are an actual strategist. it means your advising campaigns right now, working in the cycles, honey. how, i'm not asking tell me about your clients, how are you advising folks to talk about abortion access in their messaging in advance of 2024? >> i think the math you put up, simone, is really something for all democrats to put in. they're 11 counties that voted for donald trump. voting is not an is...

Let me tell you, there's not enough democrats in kansas to have put that initiative over the hump. when it comes time to vote for a candidate, the candidate's entire agenda, my question to you, carlos, do you think enough republicans will still break from the pack? >> simone, it's pretty clear by now, what used to be an issue where republicans felt comfortable going on offense, abortion, you remember they would go after democrats for partial birth abortion, for refusing to support minimum standards on abortion. right now, it is an issue where republicans are exclusively playing defense. there ...

15-week national abortion ban. again, the -- contradicts the republican philosophy on this issue. it is to allow each state to make its own decisions. now, having said that, simone, in some states, republicans have gone too far. you cited all the examples where conservatives states have decided to preempt republican legislatures from restricting abortion. the state of florida, i, think is an example of the state where republicans really did cross the line. just last year, florida republicans were celebrating a 15-week ban here in the state. this year, they moved it to six. they started losing ...

Overturned roe v. wade in every state where abortion or reproductive freedom amendments have been put on the ballot, americans of a voted in favor of the amendment. so, what does this mean for upcoming elections? well, i'm going to leave it to my political panel to give us some answers on that. here they, are joining me now former republican congressman carlos curbelo, he's a florida, an msnbc political analyst. the democratic status -- chuck rochelle as well. he is the co-host of the latino vote podcast. welcome to you gentlemen. okay, look, most of donald trump's base favors the reverse of r...