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Important for us to go forward. >> democrats from districts that the president scarero read who e sceptical about moving forward, the impeachment inquiry moving forward, are you concerned at all that some of them my face a backlash if theymy vote for articles of impeachment and it couldcl ultimately hurt them in their races next year? >> thank you forne your questio. this has absolutely nothing to do withno politics. it isn't about politics, partisansh partisanship, democrats and republicans. it's about the constitution of of united states, the oath office we take to protect and defend the con...

Listen. >> i think one of the ironies today is that people are saying that it's president trump that's shredding our institutions. i really see no evidence of that. from my perspective the idea of resisting a democratically elected president and basically throwing everything at him and, you know, really changing the norms on the grounds that we have to stop this president. >> is that being, you know, loyalist, a soldier for the president, or is he right? >> that's being completely loyalist. if anyone is shredding the norms it's attorney general barr is shredding the normal integrity and gravit...

Fashion even while he was reigning over the country. a couple things happened on his watch that shaped the politics we have now, the rise of talk radio, cable news was becoming more significant. he used to belly ache into his tape recorder all the time about what the talking heads were saying. and most importantly, the break among the house gop against his deal to get a budget, get spending controls, a deal that set -- with some higher taxes -- set the conditions for the prosperity of the 1990s in what was, i think, sort of the o.j. simpson bronco chase of modern partisansh partisanship. when ...

Silence the criticism and saying i will stay with you and help you make peace with vietnam which they did two years later. he lost a lot of his friends. >> it shows john mccain qualities which qualities that we want our children to be like. it shows political courage and ability to rise above partisansh partisanship. nowadays, willingness to work with the other side and even if it may give the other side some temporary political advantage. that's something that goes right back to the founders. that's what the founders wanted. they do not want the war against all that we have seen nowadays. >> ...

Partisansh partisanship. >> bret: some credit to be given to republicans who have not done that with roy moore. they came out and across the board denounced him. i think that's probably a step in the right direction. >> for the most part. there is a corner of the party. >> the republican leadership. they wasted no time in saying we don't want anything to do with this. >> do you see it differently. innocent until proven guilty. but in a political race pending december 12th, it's a different scenario? >> you can't force the guy out. it's up to the alabama voters. >> i think that's right. sarah s...