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Politics really belies party labels in my opinion. we're not debateing abortion or the death penalty. we are dealing with real, practical problems. when you face real problems, you have to find out what works. i draw things from both sides of the aisle. i i have views tro ditionally conservative and views liberal or democratic. i label myself democratic. i'm proud of the democratic party. at the same time a lot of my supporters and people i work with are people conservative, libertarians. >> this isn't 2000. this is the tea party era. is it possible to be a democrat in washington today and hav...

All those decades, but you really changed -- you changed the united states of america, you know, i think as a result of the better. >> he might have changed party labels but we need to understand that, you know, racism is racism, no matter if it's a democrat or republican. so, the notion that he signed the party away for 30 years, you know, brings me back to the moment of, what's your responsibility of the civil rights leader? that that was a political calculation that lindyn lyndon made. so, yes, this may cost the democratic party, but eventually we believe it's going to benefit the nation. t...

The politics of this issue are where this happened tonight? >> the politics have broken completely apart. party labels don't really matter on an issue of civil liberties on an issue of the fourth amendment. that probably makes official washington quite scared. a lot of people in the building behind me right now are very nervous about the idea that we're going to see more votes like this, and this was a vote that was so close, with such lobbying force against it, you can imagine in the senate or again in the house a vote like this passing. and i think that will create a situation where more of ...

At one level it's encouraging, and i thought actually, i thought the debate on the house that michele bachmann jihad mongering aside, was relevant. it was engaging on both sides of the possible drawbacks. what does it say to you where the politics of this issue are where this happened tonight? >> the politics have broken completely apart. party labels don't really matter on an issue of civil liberties on an issue of the fourth amendment. that probably makes official washington quite scared. a lot of people in the building behind me right now are very nervous about the idea that we're going to ...

>> right. >> or ideological label. i wrote a whole book about this. i deliberately didn't use the words liberal and conservative for just that reason. and i tried not to use party labels wherever i could. and this is one of them. if not the most fundamental one which is about the relationship of the individual to the state with a capital "s" in america. >> particularly in the context of secrecy and surveillance. michael, is that how you understand it. >> exactly so. i think that's exactly right. i do have to disagree with congressman naddler who said the so-called libertarians. there were some...