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Do that all these years? >> my question is can i get up on that space station? is there a shuttle available at this point? the poem was added later. this strikes me a little bit as a history by google argument from the white house. emma lazarus wrote the poem to raise money for the statue of liberty. it was put on about 20 years later, and has been infused as a symbol of liberty and immigration. i don't think you can celebrate liberty without celebrating immigration. we are in fact a nation almost entirely of immigrants. i think what today shows us is that there is a perennially ambivalent rel...

Atlas perennially ambivalent relationship with immigration in the american experience that begins with our first dead president, john adams who works passed the alien act. james madison said it's a monster that will forever disgrace its parents. this has ban struggle we've had throughout. >> michael, when has truth been doubted before the way it's been doubted under this administration by enormous segments of this society? >> i think never in the history of the presidency. i think we're pretty fair to say that. and even what we saw with mr. miller was an example of that, his saying that the po...

That there is a perennially ambivalent relationship with immigration in the american experience that begins with -- and let's go ahead and mention our first dead president, john adams, who passed the alien act. james madison said of the alien act in the late 1790s that it's a monster that will forever disgrace its parents. so this has been a struggle we've had throughout. >> michael, when has truth been doubted before the way it's been doubted under this administration by enormous segments of this society? >> i think never in the history of the presidency. i think we're pretty fair to say that...