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Perjury. if it not under oath, it was misleading to law enforcement. however, it depends on the nature of the conversation. did they discuss exclusively about the sanctions or was it in general to the 35 expelled diplomats? of his the latter, then it really is in the crime. if flynn interpreted it differently than the fbi, then there is no crime. if the length of the conversation is really importan important. if it was just a passing reference, then that lends credibility to flynn's claim that he doesn't recall it. >> jon: there's been a lot of talk of something called the logan act, explain w...

Reaction from the audience, republican side of the aisle, about iran. i'm sure he'll get it to a certain degree, but this may add to the raucous nature of the republican response, when he mentions that deal as an achievement in his administrati administration. >> michael, are you surprised? earlier david gergen was saying he's got to talk about the sailors. >> i think he'll be derelict in his duty if he doesn't make a passing reference to it. i understand that in the scheme of things it might not warrant mention in a state of the union address, but for the fact that a speech is tonight. i don'...

Bit too aggressive without knowing what the unintended consequences might be. yes, we could get rid of saddam hussein, but that destabilize the entire region. yes, we could get rid of gadhafi, a terrible dictator, but that created a vacuum for isis. >> and the reason that matters is that throughout the evening, shannon, we heard the candidates talk about isis in iraq and syria. but really that's chapter one and they've already moved on to chapter two. chapter two, based on our reporting, is in africa, and libya is really ground zero for that operation. it was her policy that created that vacuu...

Commitment to go after isis, which is a danger to us as well as the region. >> at times it felt like a two-person debate. but of course former maryland governor martin o'malley was on stage and his effort was to get attention and offer a contrast. >> let our lust for regime toppling get ahead of the practical considerations for stability in that region. the big failings in that region is a lack of human intelligence. >> reporter: there was no mention of the clinton e-mail controversy, no mention of the benghazi attack. just a passing reference to the late ambassador chris stevens. back to you ...

Bit too aggressive without knowing what the unintended consequences might be. yes, we could get rid of saddam hussein, but that destabilize the entire region. yes, we could get rid of gadhafi, a terrible dictator, but that created a vacuum for isis. >> and the reason that matters is that throughout the evening, shannon, we heard the candidates talk about isis in iraq and syria. but really that's chapter one and they've already moved on to chapter two. chapter two, based on our reporting, is in africa, and libya is really ground zero for that operation. it was her policy that created that vacuu...