Back in 2017 clearly didn't understand what we do and do not do in other people's elections and was flippant about it. and now, of course, many, many things -- many months have gone by and we know a lot more about the story. but to be honest with you, i think a lot of this stuff that we're talking about now, they are details that are part of the story but it sort of gets caught in the details when we don't focus on the big picture. >> i agree with you. so let's transition to that. because his statements to the russians, write it off to ignorance or flippancy, as you say. but the arrogance of c...