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Nasty -- doesn't have a nasty word to say about anybody. and i find particularly compelling, as in the other "me too" cases, the fact that two independent people will testify that jean carefuroll told me th story about what happened at the department store, you know, within a day or two after it happened. i mean that's always -- if you've read the work of ronan farrow in "the new yorker" and jody cantor in "the new york times," that kind of evidence is extremely important in establishing something that would otherwise be he said versus she said. in addition, the pattern evidence is very, very ...

Going into a case like that. one is circumstantial evidence. and the other is the double jeopardy factor which is if you get it wrong the first time and you find the body a year later, you can't go back on it. so, prosecutors weigh these very carefully. in this case, part of what they're doing is fronting what appears to be somewhat overwhelming circumstantial evidence. >> mary ellen, there is another kind of evidence you think is important, pattern evidence. can you talk about that, what that means? >> sure, pattern evidence has to do with a victim's pattern of behavior. so, you're looking at...

You think is important. pattern evidence -- can you just talk about? that what that means? >> sure. pattern evidence has to do with a victims pattern of behavior. so you are looking at, for example, in a missing persons case, an adult can go voluntarily missing. that is not a criminal act. however, if there is going to be a prosecution without a body, they have to establish the fact that the person did go missing, and that the person is dead, and that the cause of the death's homicide. part of what they are going to look at to establish that is to say, how often is this person on the phone? ho...

Majority in 2020, will you regret backing impeachment? >> no. >> your chairman on the intelligence committee adam schiff defended the decision today to not include obstruction of justice in the articles of impeachment. there is obstruction of congress not obstruction of justice which would have been from the mueller investigation. you believe president trump obstructed justice i assume? >> i'm with chairman schiff and i believe the pattern of conduct of asking the russians in the past to help him cheat and seeking to obstruct that investigation will be shown in our articles of impeachment and ...

The courts right now. and that reflects that as it relates to the mueller obstructive acts the president took. we are hopeful that successful court rulings will allow us to introduce, as pattern evidence, the president's conduct at the senate trial. >> you were a presidential candidate. you're in the middle of this impeachment process. you may very well become an impeachment manager. do you believe the entire democratic party, whether those running for president, do you think this should be the priority of the democratic party right now? >> no, it's something we have to do. it's something we c...