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Big and bigger than anything we've seen in recent years and both romney and ryan have been in lockstep on it. it's the only thing romney has actually identified as cuts he would make. >> i just want to show paul ryan's record. so paul ryan is actually a sitting member of koj. he's not just a guy who writes manifes manifestos. he takes vote. voted for the bush era tax cuts. extend the bush era tax cuts. t.a.r.p., $224 billion, voted for that. authorizing military force in iraq, $853 billion. those are his votes. we're not even talking in the abstract. paul rye ran was sitting there making the v...

Walter mondale. it doesn't -- you know, where they wanted the vp pick to be basically as big as they are and help relaunch, it didn't end well. >> right? when you look at the candidates that win, bush, clinton, and sarah palin obviously the most obvious example, there was a lot of pressure for him to pick a gentleman by the name of jack kemp. he said, i'm the change. i'm going go bland. i'm going with george h.w. bush. >> that points to this dynamic that reagan was the hero to the right and had the latitude to make that decision where mitt romney is not. >> this reminds me. when chuck said his...

Elsewhere are going to say, now, wait a minute. you have said this, paul ryan has said that. are you guys really on the same page here? are you really on the same page? >> yeah. let me be clear about the point of playing that tay. i think they are on the same page. i think that the republican party and the institutional bases of the republican party has absolutely unquestionably moved in paul ryan's -- >> no question. chris, this is the tea party -- this is the triumph -- my headline would be this is the triumph of the tea party and mitt romney was not accepted by the grass roots in the primar...