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Politically does he really believe this is the way to go or because he promised his base? >> he said before he became president he favored a single payer system. he believes if you can start the health care system from scratch he would favor a single payer system. i think the president does favor a big government involvement in health care f no doubt about that >> greta: the red flag on whether this is political or not, the fact that one of the tax if the cadillac doesn't kick in until 2018 the next president will have to live with it. if he thinks it is such a good idea he should impose it no...

When you have government pay for all of that stuff. so, yes, absolutely. >> there's a lot of programs that we have in place that i think are wrong for america. absolutely. so it's not just obama's plan. >> but 94% of american people that have health care, they like it. >> sure. >> and the majority of americans -- and i'm giving you facts. the majority of americans want a public option and want single payer. wouldn't you say that the tea partyiers are out of the mainstream and really are fringe political players in the spectrum? what do you think. >> the majority of who? the majority of people ...

>> who pays for that. >> we pay for it anyway. >> i love to give free stuff to everyone, too. that's, you know, you're talking about massively expensive health care. >> well, who pays for it now? >> well, i mean, you can walk into an emergency room and we all pay for it, is that what you're getting at? >> we pay for it. when somebody is sick, everybody you know is going to get sick at some point and not everybody is going to be able to pay for it. right now, whether it's walking into an emergency room, whether it's not being able to hold a job because your cousin, your brother, your sister, yo...

System, pure market-based health care system will not cover millions of americans who are currently covered? >> we've seen with the veterans administration and the disastrous lack of care for our veterans exactly what happens with government-run care. it doesn't work. it's not working right now. medicaid is failing too many americans of the 70 million americans now stuck in it. we're saying give americans more opportunities to take control of their own health care. let them have access to insurance across state lines. it's going to open up competition. >> tim, there is just no example in the w...

He's not the only one, there are other senators that are on it and the taxpayers help pay for this, they give them subsidies. so it's not so unusual. other than the fact that if senator ted cruz has railed against it. but look, he's got to provide coverage for his family somehow. >> let's move on to hillary clinton, who everyone believes is going to run for president, she was meeting in the white house with president obama in the last couple of days, now she comes out supporting obama care on the five-year anniversary. i guess we shouldn't be surprised by that, because she was a proponent of t...