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Looking, right? what was trump's position then? he was for the bailouts. obamacare became an all dominant issue for us for three or four years and still a dominant issue. what was his position? he's always been for single payer system and always been for obamacare. now he's changed these positions now that he's a republican but he used to always say that democrats were better at running things. >> so donald trump responded and he didn't just -- it wasn't just a little quip. it was a little bit different. he says this, rand paul is doing so poorly in the polls he has to revert to old footage of...

And it's not expensive to the united states. we pay more for health care than any other country and get worse outcomes. we pay 20% to private health insurance companies just in overhead administrative costs. it's based on profits. and 2% in medicare because it's much more efficient for the government. if the government provided a single payer system for everybody. anybody could access it. ted cruz wouldn't be in the bind. >> 60 million glrz in medicare. >> yeah, there's no waste there. none whatsoever. none. >> okay. >> please. >> if ted cruz is principally opposed to the government being invo...

>> something is going on. >> something is going on. it's called politics. they got crushed in the election. not that the republican leaders have any idea that the american people voted to stop obama not to fall over and surrender, which seems to be their plan now. harkin just saw his state lose a senate seat they should have had, jeopardize other seats. other democrats are looking and saying we're going to go under on this stuff. that is what is happening. harkin, who wanted a sing the payer system -- >> i remember that. yeah. >> is a road to a -- he didn't stand up for it. the democrats, like...

Over a million people at any one time are on waiting lists, waiting lists are to government medicine. >> senator, you're a senator but doctor and point out waiting lists. don't waiting lists imply rashening? do you expect to see rashening, it gets to a point where it's almost a single payer system? >> yeah, rationening is inherent to it. you see it in england and canada. any time something is free, people will like to use it and so many people show up, that the government then has to set strict rules on who can show up. the decisions aren't necessarily made by doctors but government bur bur bu...

Exchanges and they find out it's a costly endeavor and they're not able to afford it. they are passing this off onto the federal government and they're trying to set up the exchanges. the fact of the matter is we're just dealing with the website and it's failing miserably. >> let's say you're right. some say that was their goal originally but they gave up when there wasn't much political appetite for it. how do we move from failed exchanges to the united states government if people have had it with exchanges and government? >> well, i mean, we're at a teetering point right now where people are...