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Modeled obama care after massachusetts health care plan. now massachusetts and vermont are talking about getting rid of the national health care system by creating their own single payer systems. at least it's being discussed. joining us now radio talk show host and columnist at the boston herald michael graham with an insider perspective. we have heard it in the massachusetts legislature as now senator jamie eldridge, a democrat, testified that he believes they should implement a universal medicare plan in massachusetts. that's single payer. that's what many people believe obama care would le...

>> the typical wait for a normal procedure in canada is four months. for a hip replacement or knee replacement, the wait is 10 months. some wait more than a year for a knee replacement. >> so nations that have tried single payer systems have to ration care to hold down the costs. the supreme court of canada even ruled that some people died because they were on a waiting list and could not get care. those may be some of the reasons, jenna, that those pushing a single payer system have been unable to round up the votes to put it into law. jenna: we continue to watch the story. thank you. jon: no...

For a single payer system eventually. i think what we have to do is work with what we've got to close the gap. >> president obama said also in 2003 that he favored single payer but knew he might not be able to get there immediately so what do people mean when they use the term single payer? listen. >> what they really mean is putting everybody into one big government insurance program and almost always on the left they're talking about medicare. >> but medicare is tens of trillions of dollars in the hole so many argue that's not the way to go. appear lists note that single payer systems in oth...

Progressive, and do you believe romney now when he says he will stand up for conservative principles. >> this discussion sosuperficial. i think we should deal with the issues as well. i don't see how we can do well against obama if we have any candidate that endorsed, you know, single payer systems and t.a.r.p. payouts, and injections of bailing out their friends, i don't see how we can have anybody compete with obama that doesn't challenge this huge empire we have oversees in the overseas spending. this is how nations come down. you extend them too far overseas, and that's how the soviets cam...

Romney now when he says he will stand up for conservative principles. >> this discussion sosuperficial. i think we should deal with the issues as well. i don't see how we can do well against obama if we have any candidate that endorsed, you know, single payer systems and t.a.r.p. payouts, and injections of bailing out their friends, i don't see how we can have anybody compete with obama that doesn't challenge this huge empire we have oversees in the overseas spending. this is how nations come down. you extend them too far overseas, and that's how the soviets came down. we have to talk about re...