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But there will be a lot of different options. some don't eliminate private insurance. some are single payer systems. i think that debate will be a very rich one. >> sahil and betsy, when you look at the conversation that we've had at this table about the field of 2020 candidates and what voters are looking for, bernie sanders is a 77-year-old straight white man in a diverse field of democrats. he was asked about it. he said i want to tell vermont this morning before he made his run. he says we have got to look at candidates not by the color of their skin, not by their sexual orientation or the...

These different ways. here is the rate of people. one of obama care's main goals was to reduce the uninsured rate. the number of uninsured americans dropped precipitously. they have dropped by nearly half from a high of 16% to about 9% today, but 28 million americans remain unensurinsured. they have guaranteed all of their citizens have coverages. the exception is the united states of america. now many of those nations have what is called single payer systems. the government is insurance for all residents or citizens and pays their health care expenses except for some co-pays and upgrades.

Some are single payer systems like canada or great britain. most of them are not a medicare for all idea. this is just one type of way to do it. >> right, absolutely. and medicare for all, as you just mentioned, can also kind of have different variations to it. you can have kind of a way for you to -- what senator harris is referring to is really kind of truly what you said that senator sanders started, kind of a single payer health system. but i think the goal is to have care for everyone. and the way you get there in a medicare for all system can be different. you don't have to just turn a l...

That have socialized single payer systems and you'll reduce care. seniors will lose care. in addition the 170 million of us who have employer insurance under many of the plans that goes away. it is outlawed. you have to go on a government single payer system. >> bill: do you believe in covering americans for pre-existing conditions? >> absolutely and the president has made it absolutely clear that he will not permit any repeal and replace of obamacare that doesn't have an effective vehicle for insuring that people with pre-existing conditions have access to affordable health insurance. >> sand...

-- >> everyone goes into a medicaid -- paul: more like medicaid. >> huge wait times, nobody can get into a primary care doctor let alone a specialist. paul: kate, what they would say, democrats, no more private profit from the insurance companies, you would have administration, low administrative costs because the government with its legendary efficiency would be running the show, look, those numbers are just not fair. >> yeah, paul, that's ridiculous, i mean, he made the most generous possible assumptions in his paper about savings from administrative costs, saving from lower prescription dru...