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Would come to the table and negotiate something that's fair. if they don't, declare the emergency, build the wall with the united states military because that's what people in this country want. >> do you support legislation to end the shutdown once and for all? >> well, to modify one of my quotes that usually brings a smile to your face, there certainly would be no education in the third kick of the mule. >> you just have to have a plan so that you accomplish something by it and then reopen it. and i don't think, given that it went 35 days, we had a plan. >> in politics we call that getting r...

Some are single payer systems like canada or great britain. most of them are not a medicare for all idea. this is just one type of way to do it. >> right, absolutely. and medicare for all, as you just mentioned, can also kind of have different variations to it. you can have kind of a way for you to -- what senator harris is referring to is really kind of truly what you said that senator sanders started, kind of a single payer health system. but i think the goal is to have care for everyone. and the way you get there in a medicare for all system can be different. you don't have to just turn a l...

Get single payer next year or 2021. the obstacles are enormous for doing that. they want to lower the medicare eligibility age, allowing people to buy into it, putting an insurance option on the aca exchange. this would advance the left goal, government-run coverage, and this is i think what they're trying to do is make the space for that so democratic moderates in two or three years from now will be more comfortable supporting those proposals that are on the left and the debate at this point. >> right. it's worth noting in countries like canada and united kingdom, medicare for all type of ide...

Actually has lower administrative costs and as you just mentioned, you wouldn't have to pay the premiums because you would have medicare as an option. a private insurance market could still compete just like they do in other countries. in germany, there is a -- in most countries, all the e.u. countries and the canadian kind of system, they're all private health insurers. it's just they are actually the ones that the people who are more wealthy and can afford private insurance on top of what the government provides. so what would happen in a current kind of plan if we did actually switch medica...

Very similar outcomes. sometimes those countries have better outcomes than the united states has. >> right. look at your paycheck to think about what your wages would be if those were -- if the premium dollars you're paying or what you share with your employer -- and remember, a lot of employees don't actually have employers contributing to their costs, but they access insurance through their employer who then receives a tax credit. so, you know, i don't think senator harris -- first of all, it's interesting that so many of these presidential candidates are putting a pretty bold stake in the g...